In the original video I made on sticks and pads, I basically pointed out how people can win
with all sorts of controllers, except for maybe a steering wheel. It was basically the safe and responsible
message of “Use what’s comfortable to you.” But, I can’t help but feel this advice kind of
exists to help steer beginners away from the temptation to blame their
controller for their losses. After all, people do this all the time. But, the truth is what type of controller
you use can absolutely affect
your play and your overall gaming experience, and this is why people who have never really
played in arcades wonder if they should spend hundreds of dollars
on an arcade stick. But, if there’s anything we learned about
pad players in recent years, it’s that they’re doing well for themselves, like really, REALLY well. While there’s no need to switch if you’re
already comfortable on pad, arcade stick culture is pretty awesome because
of how customizable everything is. Like the clothes you wear on your body,
this kind of customization allows you to express yourself in a genre
that celebrates individual achievement, and at the very least, it can show that you’re
somewhat invested in these games. Even people who use a stick completely
in its default form have made choices about the brand and its components. For the case, people have used everything
from ________ all the way to __________. For the case, people have used everything
from XBoxes all the way to ___________. For the case, people have used everything
from XBoxes all the way to shoeboxes. Weight and materials are important
to make sure they can withstand your inevitable button mashing, and also so that the stick doesn’t
move around too much. The top of your case can act as a nice big canvas to
exhibit your favorite artwork, or just something you like. Function-wise, the case determines your
button and lever placement. For example, arcade layouts like the Vewlix
have the lever close to the buttons which likely comes from tabletop machines
which didn’t have much room, especially for 2-Player setups. This button placement is good for playing on these six buttons… these six buttons…or these six buttons. In contrast, you can also have the Noir setup
which puts the lever a little further away and has a button layout that better
fits the shape of your fingers, as long as you’re playing in this position. Placement is especially important
for the Start Button, so you don’t accidentally push it
and forfeit the match. As for button types, you basically want to look for
sensitivity, size, and noise levels. Noise levels are important because you either don’t want to either give away your button presses
to your opponent sitting next to you or you want your opponent to hear your fake
button presses to throw them off. If they complain, you can always blame them
for listening in on your buttons. If you simply don’t want to telegraph
what you’re doing, you can get silent buttons or play on pad. Though, of course, this doesn’t stop people
from looking at your hands from across. Another important thing to consider
is the board you use. Third-party boards are good because
they’re sold individually, allowing you to make custom sticks,
and are sometimes compatible with consoles
of opposing brands. The board I use works on pretty much anything. *Pop* The downside is that companies can detect
third-party boards and cripple their use. Sony puts an 8-minute time limit
on unlicensed boards, which can ruin you in tournament if you don’t
consistently update with the latest firmware. Finally, you have many choices of levers,
and from my experience, it’s one of the parts
people are most sensitive about. If you ever want to gross someone out, just offer them a lever they’re not used to. “I’m fine, I just uh…” “…threw up in my mouth a little bit.” At Master Cup in Japan, they even
go to the trouble of providing cabinets with Korean levers
so to accommodate their guests. But, the most common type of lever
is the ball top with square gate, which is what the Japanese arcades use, and they essentially dominate the stick market. In games with charge characters,
this can help you hold down-back and easily transition to up-back position without
losing you back charge. This same maneuver on a circular gate would
require you to do a less intuitive crescent shape, but then, circular gates allow you to do
literal quarter-circle motions, which could be more intuitive, especially for
beginners trying to throw Ki Blasts. The most dyed in the wool lever users can
come up with all sorts of reasons why their lever is the best for their game, but now, people are making sticks
with no levers at all, and even top players with deep arcade
roots are looking into them. Some games have not taken into account
a controller that can input
two opposite directions at the same time, and combo artists like Desk have found
game breaking techniques like walking forward and throwing Sonic Booms. Things like this or whether use of these controllers
in tournament have been controversial, especially in the Smash community, but a controller with theoretical benefits doesn’t
help you much if you’re not used to playing on it. The question becomes, “Are the benefits of getting good with another
controller type worth spending the time to learn it?” For Tekken player Meat, it was because he actually prefers pad for one character
and stick for another. —…wasn’t he playing on pad? He going to stick now?
—He uses stick? —Maybe he plays Jack on stick?
—I guess so, yeah. This might sound extreme, but remember that some techniques are known
to work better on certain setups, like Zangief’s infamous Walking 720 Ultra on pad. —…Rufus works that corner…Whoa! —That was the Walking 720 he’s famous for,
doing that on a pad It’s stuff like this that makes it hard
to shake the feeling that arcade sticks are becoming relics of the past. But, some of the coolest and most valuable
things do look old, like vintage guitars, pre-distressed jeans, and pre-distressed vintage guitars. If function and comfort were the only
things that mattered, I think there’d be a bigger market
for the D-pad–Arcade combination. Anyways, this was Gerald from Core-A Gaming
Thanks for Watching

Sidenote: The Case for Arcade Sticks
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100 thoughts on “Sidenote: The Case for Arcade Sticks

  • January 3, 2019 at 8:40 am
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    I hope they legalize button boxes for more games.

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  • January 3, 2019 at 10:11 pm
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    I can't do quartercircles on a pad at all, but I can do them very precisely and quickly on a keyboard, even compared to doing them on a stick, so it kind of surprises me that there's so little support for them being used in fighting games. I guess it just depends on what you're actually trying to input? I also find doing double movement inputs slower and less precise on a stick than either a pad or keyboard.

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  • January 5, 2019 at 11:48 pm
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    I dont even play fighting games why am I here

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  • January 8, 2019 at 11:07 pm
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    This kinda stuff is becoming a lot more relevant in smash with eh smash box.

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  • January 10, 2019 at 8:03 am
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    I just want to be able to press square and circle at the same time.

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  • January 10, 2019 at 4:36 pm
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    I do this, i play fighting games on keyboard but some characters i play them on pad like ED on sfv

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  • January 11, 2019 at 1:54 am
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    Song??

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  • January 23, 2019 at 4:27 am
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    Yes the steering wheel. 😉

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  • January 24, 2019 at 6:00 am
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    Pad vs stick differs from game to game. If the game was made with stick in mind then you should play stick. However more and more mainstream fighting games are made with Pad in mind.

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  • January 26, 2019 at 2:59 am
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    I've only casually played fighting games with friends, and I'm never going to buy any of this, but damn I'm invested in your videos!

    I guess it shows that quality attracts people from all crowds.

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  • January 26, 2019 at 8:34 am
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    Just got my first arcade stick today

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  • February 1, 2019 at 1:16 pm
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    I started paying Killer Instinct for the first time yesterday and almost immediately felt the urge to get a stick, despite never using a stick once in my life

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  • February 4, 2019 at 1:28 am
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    1:49 does anyone know what is that Board?

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  • February 8, 2019 at 6:43 am
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    Did you mention vintage guitars?

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  • February 9, 2019 at 1:03 am
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    Anyone know about where to find the art of that stick @ 1:45

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  • February 9, 2019 at 1:53 pm
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    Stick is better because you can put a waifu on it

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  • February 11, 2019 at 9:52 pm
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    tried stick and hated it….it's noisy, it's uncomfortable, it's expensive, and it's more difficult to play than with a gamepad….i see no advantage over the gamepad

    get you a good gamepad and you're golden.

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  • February 12, 2019 at 8:23 pm
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    I prefer D pad over anything. I’ve played Street Fighter 2 on Stick, and I just wasn’t doing as well as I do with d pad.

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  • February 19, 2019 at 11:16 pm
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    I use a stick because my controller is ACTUALLY broken, the analog stick doesn't respond correctly

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  • February 22, 2019 at 12:50 pm
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    I'm pretty sure someone has made "that" joke in 2:00

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  • February 27, 2019 at 7:45 pm
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    I love how Diago is looking at that thing like he's never seen one in his entire life.

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  • March 3, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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    "tekken might get weird" LMAO

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  • March 4, 2019 at 10:56 pm
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    I use a keyboards for tekken 7, is that ok ?? I thought it was ok .. whatever

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  • March 11, 2019 at 1:56 pm
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    4:40
    Daigo: tf is this, this is why na players suck

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  • March 11, 2019 at 11:07 pm
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    Traduzam

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  • March 12, 2019 at 3:27 am
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    I love watching these videos to see how often I can catch the phrase “and then there’s smash”

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  • March 17, 2019 at 4:51 pm
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    1:45 😍

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  • March 18, 2019 at 4:13 pm
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    This is like the donut media of video games

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  • March 30, 2019 at 6:02 pm
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    I used to only play fighting games with a pad until last year when I went to an arcade in Florida and realized how nice a stick feels. With SC6 coming out, a game I was massively hyped for, I went ahead and got the SC6 arcade stick and haven't gone back to pad since. Even got an adapter that allows me to use it on my Switch in handheld mode since that's my preferred way to play my Switch and my friends got Central Fiction on Switch.

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  • April 5, 2019 at 8:16 am
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    always the great voice and wise Gerald can rewatch over and over the videos feel crispy and get's the point across those even not into fighting games

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  • April 8, 2019 at 5:56 am
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    Legit after going with a HitBox I can't play on pad anymore. Chews right through my thumb. Sticks have always been kinda crap but I understand everyone has just been using them forever.

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  • April 8, 2019 at 9:34 pm
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    You could never get by with a fight stick on melee. You NEED 2 360 analog sticks AND 2 analog triggers for hairpin accuracy. The B0XX is very unnatural and wont allow you to perform many options and techniques that a normal gc controller would.

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  • April 9, 2019 at 11:18 am
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    For the game For Honor you need even 2 Sticks 😀 (Is it even a fighting game? you can faint you can block you can combo attack..)

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  • April 9, 2019 at 10:59 pm
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    Just use what you prefer. The imput options are all there on both pads and sticks. Though I wouldn't use a dualshock because of the bad dpad.

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  • April 10, 2019 at 8:57 pm
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    All I can think of whenever I see 4:10 is "GET ON MY LEVELLLLLLLL"

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  • April 14, 2019 at 10:34 am
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    I have one of those askiiware ps1 arcade controller fight sticks with the turbo and i have not been able to use it cuz the stick is broken but i like the button size better than my icade core also they are quieter

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  • April 19, 2019 at 5:20 pm
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    Indeed, what's best varies from person, to game, to characer. IL will give you a good Marvel or Soul Calibur stick, but might not be best for Street Fighter or KOF.

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  • April 24, 2019 at 5:20 am
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    I also use a keyboard for gaming. the only problem with keyboard is that you cannot use commands with an up input in it like a full circle.

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  • April 27, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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    so…. If I got the better arcade stick on market I will win more matches?

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  • May 3, 2019 at 2:05 pm
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    Personally I prefer stick, when I played KOF 2000 on my switch it was terrible. Then I visited my arcade near me and they had a KOF 2000 machine. And I played and it was so much easier.

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  • May 7, 2019 at 5:10 pm
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    With all things said and done.

    Full Circles are fucking impossible on keyboards.

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  • May 8, 2019 at 2:05 am
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    Great content.

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  • May 8, 2019 at 3:39 am
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    Just play a with a fucking pad you special snowflakes.

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  • May 8, 2019 at 4:06 pm
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    Nobody in the pro scene uses a fight pad? (D pad + 6 button layout) ?

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  • May 13, 2019 at 10:07 pm
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    In my experience with pad v stick, if you find your self having difficulty with more advanced movement inputs, try a stick. There are ways to do that other than buying one, though. If your game is popular, visit an arcade. I borrowed my first stick from a fighting game club I went to (check your area for them, they're also great for getting matches in). Another big thing for me is how certain games register z-inputs on pad. For some games, you can simply press forward-down-forward, and they will input perfectly as a z-input. But other games are a bit fidgetty with it. That's all I really had to say. Hope this info helped.

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  • May 14, 2019 at 3:05 am
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    Personally I think the only movement that should be legal should be with anolog controls. Digital offers too much of an advantage and devalues the skill involved.

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  • May 16, 2019 at 3:59 am
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    Can someone start kicking ass on a 3 octave keyboard, pls?

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  • May 17, 2019 at 1:28 pm
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    0:47
    I have that one!

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  • May 21, 2019 at 8:43 am
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    The ball and stick has that arcade chic to it which Is noice.

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  • May 21, 2019 at 11:00 am
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    What about the player with a steering wheel ?
    Edit : just seen you've made a video about him later that year.

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  • May 22, 2019 at 12:13 am
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    4:15 I forgot how doing this is was my favorite thing ever in some fighting games. With a controller, that is, planning to look into getting something that really suits me at some point. It's really nice to repeatedly flick fast with some games' tech and I always love moving weirdly if I can get away with it

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  • May 26, 2019 at 7:28 am
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    but what if i use keyboard?

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  • May 27, 2019 at 1:25 am
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    I got a fairly cheep arcade pad for like $40 on amazon and it feels pretty nice and has a surprisingly sturdy case. However it’s a bit small.

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  • May 28, 2019 at 11:34 am
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    0:50 this guy needs some bleach

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  • May 29, 2019 at 5:40 am
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    So in this PC age, screen raping is now cross screening? Nope. It's a screen rape. Period.

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  • June 4, 2019 at 7:30 pm
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    He ate his words about the steering wheels

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  • June 5, 2019 at 4:25 am
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    Ok but why a toaster

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  • June 5, 2019 at 4:30 am
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    Also cute cat

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  • June 8, 2019 at 12:43 pm
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    Anyone expirience with the Hori fighting stick mini 4? is it good for beginners?

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  • June 11, 2019 at 2:26 pm
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    Digital movement buttons are objectively better. It's much faster and more consistent to do a hadouken with keyboard, than with an analog stick. The only reason this is not established is because fighting games weren't a thing on the PC for a long time and people are stubborn as fuck. It's objectively better. A shoryuken is so insanely easy and consistent to do with keyboard, while with an analog stick you have to make so many movements.

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  • June 13, 2019 at 7:31 pm
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    I've never been able to get used to arcade sticks

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  • June 14, 2019 at 6:29 pm
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    I have to play MK on Keyboard because I like to spam down 1/3 into a back 1 but because of how the ps4 pads are made i end up hitting down 1 again and i get whiff punished.

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  • June 15, 2019 at 7:08 am
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    I bought a fight stick more for the buttons than the stick. I love large convex surfaces to press rather than tiny game pad buttons. My gate is square, though, and I'm really considering going octagonal

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  • June 16, 2019 at 10:03 am
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    Dang, first the Solaire Amigurumi from The Pruld and now I noticed I also missed a chance to get that cool Juri shirt D:

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  • June 17, 2019 at 5:09 pm
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    I have a qanba q4 collecting dust under my desk. My cheap Chinese fighting pad is my street fighter go to and a regular ps4 pad for tekken is just fine.

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  • June 21, 2019 at 10:30 am
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    Arcade sticks are OG and really fun to play on and the building aspect is awesome. But if I ever went to tournament I would use pad because I play other types of games (RPG, FPS etc.) on console and I’m just used to a controller.

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  • June 26, 2019 at 12:01 am
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    Ugh; Relic'd guitars

    Gross

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  • July 1, 2019 at 8:49 am
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    I play fgs with keyboard

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  • July 4, 2019 at 2:34 am
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    I don't care what Diago says, playing with a hitbox is lightweight cheating

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  • July 7, 2019 at 10:39 pm
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    I play Skull Girls on my laptop and it's really easy to make the quarter circle and to go from running position to blocking and crouching position, but it's really hard to grab since I must press kick and punch at the same time, which I need change drastically my hand's position to.

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  • July 8, 2019 at 4:32 pm
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    I use a keyboard cus imma broke boi 😛

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  • July 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm
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    Hmm those walking sonic booms, and grapples look more like bug exploits rather than skills, it is like bunny hopping in Counter-Strike.

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  • July 25, 2019 at 6:14 am
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    That hungrybox clip haha

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  • July 26, 2019 at 7:46 am
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    5:08 How on Earth can someone do a walking 720? I can barely do a 360 standing still lol.

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  • July 28, 2019 at 6:55 am
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    Can’t really play on pad, fucks my fingers to much

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  • July 29, 2019 at 9:03 pm
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    Is using movement mandatory for left hand, or could i try to make one on the right hand side.

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  • July 30, 2019 at 8:43 am
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    people talking about mixbox and fighing stick. while im here broke using wasd on my keyboard as my movement and my ds4 controller button as normal input(triangle,square,circle and X)

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  • August 6, 2019 at 5:41 am
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    I just use a keyboard for fighting games

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  • August 6, 2019 at 11:06 pm
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    Core A, what is your opinion on the mayflash, f100, f300, f500 series of fightsticks

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  • August 8, 2019 at 7:26 am
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    Then there's the guy with the guitar…

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  • August 11, 2019 at 1:37 am
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    How we think pros hang out: * Extremely focused environment with intensive training *

    What they actually do: 4:06

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  • August 12, 2019 at 2:58 am
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    0:52 oh no

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  • August 14, 2019 at 10:19 pm
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    Wii remote

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  • August 16, 2019 at 2:38 am
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    do a video on a keyboard for sfv

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  • August 16, 2019 at 4:26 pm
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    2:35 Why don't you have a trophy for that shot?

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  • August 17, 2019 at 4:22 am
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    The poverty stick.

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  • August 17, 2019 at 4:26 am
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    The fuck? Unlicensed boards? That is fucking bullshit. Like not being able to use any brand tire on a car. Its xinput which is a universal signal and driver. Theres literally no excuse for this.

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  • August 17, 2019 at 2:08 pm
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    But the sticks look so cool

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  • August 20, 2019 at 7:35 am
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    i love fighting games, i hate arcade sticks, never can pull out a fucking move, do a half circle backwards is impossible to me in an arcade stick. maybe because i only have used western arcade stick when the japanse are the best, maybe not but like to think so.

    in my experience a keyboard is the best controller for fighting games, yes i say that

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  • August 20, 2019 at 2:02 pm
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    I have to look into Pad Arcade combination. I love the access to all buttons, but the controlling with the stick is tedious. Probably cause I'm used to the pad.
    Moves like Kazuyas'
    ➡️✳️⬇️↘️ 🔺
    Are way easier with the d Pad, than the stick. At least for me.

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  • August 20, 2019 at 10:52 pm
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    Believe it or not one guy beat Minecraft hardcore mode with a steering wheel. No joke

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  • August 21, 2019 at 11:51 pm
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    1:07 even the captions are masterfully made

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  • August 23, 2019 at 12:06 pm
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    0:53 oh, pinches furros

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  • August 26, 2019 at 11:53 pm
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    I prefer to play my smash on a modded wii fit board so I can t-pose while doing 100 to deaths

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  • August 27, 2019 at 12:15 pm
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    5:08 "…Some techniques are known to work better on certain setups, like Zangief's infamous walking 720 on pad."

    Can someone explain why? I don't know the game so I'm curious

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  • August 29, 2019 at 12:13 pm
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    You'll never take my keyboard away from me. One of the biggest features wasd brings to me that a lever just simply doesn't have is that you can hold forward and tap down to do a dragonpunch motion. At least, that's the case in some modern fighters. Likewise, 360s are more finnicky in general cuz if you press f+d -> b+d and miss the independent down input it won't go off, in my experience, 180s for whatever reason are much more lenient and are as easy as pressing dsa or asd in that order.

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  • August 30, 2019 at 3:25 pm
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    Don’t be crackin on Initial T, the steering wheel warrior

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  • August 31, 2019 at 7:26 pm
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    I spent years with a controller in my hands. Put off trying sticks for ages. Finally bought after a week on a stick I was sold. Though I still love my controller depending on the game.

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  • September 7, 2019 at 2:24 am
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    i just came to this video after watching your initial T video, how ironic

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  • September 7, 2019 at 8:51 pm
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    bro I be playin competitive club penguin

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