It was a win that unified a divided country We were united as a rainbow nation In 1995, one year after the country’s first ever multi-racial elections… …South Africa hosted—and won—the Rugby World Cup When the final whistle went and I looked around the stadium… …all different creeds and colour of people, they were hugging each other It adds impetus to our nation-building effort But 25 years later… …South African rugby is still embroiled in the politics of race Politics can never be separated from sport I think we are more divided at this stage than we were then Almost 90% of South Africans are black or mixed-race… …yet they remain the minority in the Springboks, the national rugby team In an attempt to get more black players into the top tier of the game… …South Africa’s government introduced quotas… …to force coaches to pick black players But it’s a controversial strategy Chester Williams was one of the first black players… …to ever represent the Springboks Definitely, quota means to me opportunity Peter de Villiers was South Africa’s first black coach I don’t think quotas is your solution Both grew up in the black township of Paarl… …but they feel very differently about quotas Historically rugby is supposed to be played only by white people Because of apartheid only the white people are selected for the Springbok team I always wanted to be a Springbok myself Chester Williams was the only black player… …in the famous Mandela 1995 World Cup winning side He inspired millions of South Africans All I wanted was that opportunity so I can prove to the world… …that black people can also play rugby I represent not only myself but I represent… …my community, I represent black people in South Africa After retiring in 2000… …Chester became a coach at the University of Western Cape Being a so-called black or coloured player in South Africa… …was challenging at times I remember vividly they stopped me from going to have dinner… …because I was the only black guy in the team… …and at that time we were not allowed to dine with the white people Securing a spot on the Springboks side wasn’t easy You had to train twice as hard as the privileged guy… …because you have to prove every single time… …why you need to be in the team… …even though you’re scoring more tries than anyone else That’s why Chester believes that quotas are still needed… …to ensure black players get into the national sport If you don’t have the quota system then people won’t change… …and players won’t come through the system And in doing that we are seeing a lot of… …black kids getting opportunities to play for the Springboks Since the 1995 win… …the Springboks team has incrementally become more balanced And the Springboks selected more black and mixed-race players… …than ever before in 2018 But quotas not always popular In a recent poll 82% of black South Africans… …said that players should be picked solely on merit And the perception that so-called quota players… …don’t deserve to be selected is damaging While I was playing I mean people would call me a quota player It was almost like a smack in the face… …that you’re not good enough to play there… …but you’re selected only because of the colour of your skin I can assure you we will carry 50m people in our hearts As South Africa’s first black coach… …Peter de Villiers’ appointment was mired in allegations… …that it was politically motivated They couldn’t handle that somebody of colour… …would be at the helm of rugby They never thought that it would happen The last bastion of apartheid was rugby So they tried to keep the game exclusive for them He felt the significance of his appointment stretched far beyond sport The overwhelming responsibility of getting this job… …was born from the fact that we died in the street, you know One of my friends was shot next to me during the apartheid years… …when we were fighting for our freedom in the streets And those things placed a huge, huge portion of pressure on my back Unlike Chester, Peter believes that quotas are not the way to get… …South Africa’s rugby team to better reflect the make-up of society I don’t think quotas is your solution What bothers me a lot about quotas at this moment is the fact… …there’s no end period, no nothing The most ambitious target yet has been set for 2019… …that 50% of Springbok players… …appearing over the course of the season are black… …this includes the World Cup squad When I was a coach I never looked at quotas, I never looked at race The one thing that was very important for me—potential One thing on which Chester and Peter both agree… …is that the best way to nurture potential of black players… …is to do so within their communities I believe that we need to start it at a younger age… …it should be done at school level and at provincial level… …to make it easier for coaches to select those players I would like to see that coming in the next ten years, maybe say… …South Africa gets selected not because of the colour of their skin… …but they get selected because they’re South Africans They go now to these townships… …find the best talent, remove them from that place… …and put it in their schools Wouldn’t it be better… …if they upskilled those guys where they are? And at the level playing field you can see… …who really is the best Rugby’s struggle to transform is seen by some as… …a metaphor for disillusionment among black people… …who gained political, but not economic, freedom after apartheid I am still surprised because… …to see that people are still talking about quotas… …because it’s 25 years since unification you know… …and in sport we should have gone long past that There was no repentance for apartheid So those who tried to forgive, what did they forgive? Who did they forgive? So this conversation, for another 25 years, will still go on

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:33 pm
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    I remember that movie. reality is often disappointing

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:34 pm
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    Solzhenitsyn explains it best. "You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:42 pm
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    Allright I will honor the deal, money, guns, and all those sons of a bitch I dont like gone so what you gonna do in Syria? Are you gonna let my kurdish hommies die cmon?! That will backfire against Israel look ye will like this specially the armamentist lobbey lets Have NATO directed by the UK sent a whole lot of troops the USA an I we have a cool thingy an amazing hush hush thing we gonna do Probably in Coahuila or Durango

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:42 pm
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    that's some bullshit

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:43 pm
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    But hush hush end fuckin Att and get rid of my neighbors yer not honoring that deal JFK fuckin plates

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:43 pm
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    When will the world address the ongoing demographic genocide against white COLORED people in South Africa?

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:44 pm
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    People didn't dislike Peter de Villiers because of his skin colour. They disliked him because he was a moron as a coach.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:48 pm
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    Also arabs and blacks are a minority in France, still they're represent the most in the roster of national football team, so what? stop with this anti-whiteism….

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:52 pm
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    You should be selected based on your skills , everything else is pure racism and discrimination !!!!

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:52 pm
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    Quotas divide & diminish skill. This behemoth quietly commits white genocide.
    No mention of that?

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:55 pm
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    Trans next. Then children.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:55 pm
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    It's just like if US would make quotas for white people in basketball.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:56 pm
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    funny… reminds me of womens quota in europe coming soon…

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:57 pm
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    Nah dude, Att has to end let all the other networks cannibilize it

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  • October 9, 2019 at 7:58 pm
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    And use the CIA as longest more then 40 porcent of the acquire assets and money go to fund more operations

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:00 pm
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    I seem not to understand South African. We scream racism for them when needed but they often don't bother killing black (foreigners) peacefully contributing to their economy growth.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:02 pm
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    Shows you how black a man's heart can be.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:04 pm
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    Quotas should be in training and not performance.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:06 pm
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    Such cherry picking. No mention of football? The most popular sport in SA!

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:08 pm
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    Williams and De Villiers ARE NOT BLACK.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:45 pm
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    Quotas are good! I like that! Whites mostly get into positions of power because they have white friends or family that help them move up! It’s a system made and controlled by whites, to this day. At my ex company, we had two white ladies as supervisors, both extremely stupid and incompetent! But one was the lover of a high ranking company official and another one was a family member of one. They got up there because of their connections through family and sex! Whites get the most preference and more rights and opportunities than anyone on earth! I’ve seen it many, many times!

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  • October 9, 2019 at 8:57 pm
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    Very misleading intro and tone. The situation, as you showed yourself, has improved, going from a single black player in 1994 to 40% of the team. You also never quoted actual figures which would have actually enlightened the situation, you just spliced together two interviews. Nice graphics, Terrible journalism. People should listen to podcasts like Planet Money and 99% Invisible if they want stories like this but accurately portrayed.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm
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    Visiting SA few years ago, as a Brazilian, i was astonished with the racism related to PROSPERITY! Prosperity in SA is a race which all people hate! The country is very sick. Many other African countries are also sick, BUT SA IS THE RICHEST. I know, you know, they know!

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  • October 9, 2019 at 9:30 pm
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    In that case I'll be waiting for quotas in every single Olympic discipline. Seems like there is a lack of balance. I want an equal amount of every race proportional to the population in the given country. Let's see how that works out.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 10:33 pm
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    The "black township of Paarl". Clearly The Economist does not know Paarl.

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  • October 9, 2019 at 10:36 pm
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    If you are chosen by any metric other than skill for this sport or any job for that matter, it is discrimination!!!

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  • October 9, 2019 at 10:47 pm
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    They have destroyed south African cricket team,rugby.Soon nation will destroy

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  • October 9, 2019 at 10:56 pm
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    Curious how was the race problem created

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  • October 10, 2019 at 1:35 am
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    I'm a Kiwi. We are the All Blacks – the most successful sporting team in history. Our team is composed of New Zealanders whether they be native (Maori), immigrant (just about every Polynesian country there is and NZ-naturalised players from all over the world) or Pakeha (white New Zealanders). It has always been that the player who is best gets to be an All Black. We simply don't even consider ethnicity. You just have to be a Kiwi . . . and the best player. There have been about 1184 All Blacks, and native Aoteoroans ('New Zealanders' in the language of the native Maori people) have been represented in the team since its inception in 1884 and its first international match in 1903.
    As a nation we were horrified and disgusted when South Africa under apartheid refused to allow native Kiwis to tour that country as All Blacks. In 1981 there was a schism in NZ when the Springboks toured here and it was a 50/50 split over whether politics should be a consideration in sporting contests. There were riots and violence, the like of which our country had rarely witnessed. NZ had an epiphany at that time and decided that we would not allow our All Blacks to tour South Africa until there was fundamental change in that country's political system and apartheid was eliminated. A New Zealand team called "The Cavaliers" did tour but were reviled by a majority of Kiwis. (They did it for money even though rugby was an amateur sport at that time).
    I think we played a part in the collapse of apartheid by hitting white South Africans where it hurt them the most. (Of course sport can play a part in politics!) They became the pariahs they deserved to be.
    Change came! And South Africa integrated its races and is growing strongly as "the rainbow nation"
    It was the All Blacks they defeated when they won the Rugby World Cup in South Africa (even though they had to poison our players to do it!) and for the only time in our history we didn't mind (all that much) that we lost.
    But we minded every time before that and every time since. We hate losing at rugby from kindergarten players to the All Blacks!
    And we will welcome any player from whereever they may come in the world, if they become a Kiwi, and they are the very very best, into the most successful sports team in history – the Aoteoroa All Blacks!!!

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  • October 10, 2019 at 2:34 am
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    The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race
    — Chief Justice John Roberts

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  • October 10, 2019 at 2:59 am
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    In America and around the world all top athletes are Black , so something is wrong with training and quotas wont solve it i think .

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  • October 10, 2019 at 3:18 am
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    Basically pick players because of their skin colour instead of merit otherwise black people get angry.

    Players should be picked on their ability. Not their skin colour.

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  • October 10, 2019 at 4:09 am
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    Rest In Peace Chester Williams :(((

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  • October 10, 2019 at 4:14 am
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    Don't most Springboks get picked from like 20 elite schools? If it's mostly White students (Due to economic reasons), isn't that going to translate into more white players? SHouldn't the Springbok selection committee honestly target schools outside of these schools?

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  • October 10, 2019 at 7:15 am
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    Nobody: ….
    YouTube Comments: "Civilized discourse about a complex topic."

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  • October 10, 2019 at 8:29 am
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    French national football team is mostly blacks. And the French people are fine with that. Now why is South African government so racist towards a white majority team. Its like the White House demanding NBA to be minimal blacks.

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  • October 10, 2019 at 2:01 pm
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    Paarl is a town and is definitely not anything like a township. Billionaires live in Paarl.

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  • October 10, 2019 at 4:29 pm
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    Chester Williams died on September 6th 2019. We've uploaded a longer version of the interview we did with him for this film. You can watch it here: https://econ.st/2Vu8X7b

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  • October 10, 2019 at 6:08 pm
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    South Africa claims to be a rainbow nation yet the government only cares about blacks. Now thats the real racism you should be covering.

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  • October 10, 2019 at 8:28 pm
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    In America, a white country, all the football players are black, and black dominant in other sports also ~ Will the 2020 CENSUS reveal that America is now black (white minority) in need of special govt programs 😋❓❕

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  • October 10, 2019 at 9:26 pm
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    I need you to beat the shit out of neighbors and both the 358 and 364 and make sure that those Att idiots become afraid of those dogs barking like so afraid they will even make sure they never bark again

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  • October 10, 2019 at 9:27 pm
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    Please

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  • October 10, 2019 at 9:29 pm
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    Whoever owes me favors do that cmon I been texting and no one kills them or harm them somebody kill the son of the asholes in the 358 the one they call oscar god damn it

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  • October 10, 2019 at 9:44 pm
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    What would you want to help me have my neighbors gone for good and the one called oscar death with its face destroyed all along with those winnie pieze of shit dogs on the 358 and 364?? And destroy Att and put everybody on the bilderberg to end em over and whoever makes the dogs bark mutilated??

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  • October 10, 2019 at 9:48 pm
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    I need the bilderberg support if you wanna have a war started, bring down the economy of a country, have the media cover a scandal manipulate masses tell me I gotta have thos people destroyed oh and my new guns and my safaty net indemnization and pention the pention im gonna invest a bit of it everymonth I like JP morgan cuz of our green plan and the lithium

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  • October 11, 2019 at 1:01 am
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    Allright but as longest is with Slash and a super band and I get paid make sure that Oscar gets its face destroyed and everybody evicted and yall pay me good cuz Im not ever doing it again

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  • October 11, 2019 at 3:33 am
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    Rest In Peace, Chester Williams.

    Sadly, the moment one describes another demographic group as 'they', it's discrimination in itself.

    Loooong way to go.

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  • October 11, 2019 at 11:14 am
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    Maybe The Economist could do a story on racial selection in Great Britain's athletics team
    Blacks may be about 5% of the UK's population but seem to be about 95% of elite British athletes .
    Perhaps time for quotas there
    Or ,on the other hand, maybe a bit of knife crime is worth a few medals ?

    Also sticking to rugby New Zealand , Australia and even England have a disproportionate number of Pacific Islanders in their national teams .I mean , how many Pacific Islanders are there in England !!
    Obviously more cases of a racial selection policy
    just like the Economist really .whites are marked to much higher level

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  • October 11, 2019 at 2:17 pm
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    Im in the Twilight Zone. This is completely opposite of the US

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  • October 11, 2019 at 3:10 pm
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    Some of you have noticed an error in this film. We incorrectly said that Chester Williams and Peter de Villiers both grew up "in the black township of Paarl". We have now changed this line to say they both grew up "in townships in Paarl". Thank you for flagging our mistake—a corrected version of the film is being uploaded.

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  • October 11, 2019 at 6:03 pm
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    We have lots of black players in the Boks team now, none of which are quotas. The only person involved with the Boks that could be said to be a quota might be the backline coach, who didn't have much experience with any top teams. I'm sure the rugby team is far more representative than say the Waterpolo team

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  • October 11, 2019 at 8:31 pm
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    Pieter De Villiers is spot on in this video. Many white people don't or didn't repent for the evils of apartheid and colonialism. How do I befriend and trust someone who refuses to acknowledge the scars inflicted on me and my ancestors. I have known many white people in my life and I have given them love and understanding. I have never received this in return. I am not seen as a human.

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  • October 11, 2019 at 9:16 pm
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    Howard Hillegas was right :

    The wholesale slander and misrepresentation with which the Boers of South Africa have been pursued can not be outlived by them in a hundred years. It originated when the British forces took possession of the Cape of Good Hope,and it has continued with unabated vigour ever since. Recently the chief writers of fiction have been prominent Englishmen, who, on hunting expeditions or rapid tours through the country, saw the object of their venom from car windows or in the less favourable environments of a trackless veldt.

    The above was written by Hillegas on the eve of the Anglo Boer War in 1899. (Chapter IV page xlii) He was an American journalist who accompanied the Boers on their campaigns against the British.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/41607/pg41607-images.pdf?session_id=b4c4e2944d1740e680e70312b948cc1e315bc5e8

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